My only debate is whether to even raise the subject with friends who see opposition to yet another building full of bureaucrats as just another Bush conspiracy. The "moveons" have built a fortress of phony dialogs that boil down to "Let the government do everything, control everything, tell everyone what to do, but DON'T CALL US SOCIALISTS!"
But their thinking goes beyond socialism, and the last thing that socialism and beyond wants is an honest debate, on anything.
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